2008-07-12 [windowframe]: Needs moar flowers. :)

2008-07-13 [Aradon Templar]: Moar flowers indeed. I also added grass, which I think looks fairly decent. Once I can get a little more flowers in the foreground, I think I shall lighten the grass a tad, then go back to messing with cumulus clouds.

2008-07-13 [windowframe]: Yes, I was about to suggest lightening the grass. :P

2008-07-16 [Aradon Templar]: Yes, the clouds are exactly perfect, but I am disappointed with the green in the distant flowers, like the grass is too tall. I think I shall fix this, but if not, this is to be the final image. Critique while you can, if you care to :)

2008-07-16 [windowframe]: Hmm... There are still a few patches of mud around (there's one bottom left, for instance). The grass is a bit mono-tone - is ther anything you can do to change that? And the one other thing that looks unnatural is how exactly straight the horizon line is where the flowers end and the mountain begins. Is there any way you could have a bit of green going up the bottom of the mountain?

2008-07-16 [Aradon Templar]: Hmm. I cannot vary the grass color right now, unless I registered my TG2 :( The bits of brown are fine by me, since it's just dirt after all. As for the straight horizon, I could, but it looks terrible for some reason o.O

2008-07-16 [windowframe]: :/ Guess I'll have to take your word for it that it looks terrible. :P

2008-07-16 [Aradon Templar]: :P You want proof? I shall render you some proof. But it'll take some time. I'm right now working on the patch that'll fix the green in the fields, and then I'll render you some proof. Seriously.

2008-09-28 [Aradon Templar]: Made the sky *slightly* darker, the moon a little more solid, added the stars, and that's about it. I don't know what else to do with the moon, short of colouring it like the real moon, with the dark spots, but that attempt has failed anyways o.O I'm going to go back and try it again though :P Any other suggestions, comments or thoughts are appreciated, of course.

2008-09-28 [windowframe]: The top picture has an artifact in it, again. :P

2009-01-14 [windowframe]: I think the clouds now look weird in the last two version - they look more like folded paper. And you have a weird-looking sun circle in the clouds now, I think it looked better before... but the sun-rays you have now shining down through the clouds are better.

The ocean looks a bit odd, too - it jars lots at the horizon line, and looks like it's at a completely different angle of perspective to the rest of the picture - it has no depth, as well. Perhaps if it got a lot darker towards the horizon, that would add the depth?

</harsh critic>

2009-01-14 [Aradon Templar]: Clouds looking weird are fixed now. I thought something I changed would fix the sun circle, but it didn't o.O
Water was improved, but perspective-wise I now see the problem you're getting at. Thanks a lot for the critique :D

2009-01-23 [Aradon Templar]: Which looks better? >.> I think I'm leaning towards the bottom, but with brightening the clouds a bit, so there's more glow.

2009-01-26 [windowframe]: I'm leaning towards the top one. More dramatic. :P Though the horizon line still needs some work.

2009-01-26 [Aradon Templar]: >.> I swapped the two around without realizing it. In its present layout, I favor the top one. Two friends told me they liked the bottom, but I agree that the top is more dramatic. The horizon is crap and I don't know how to fix it >.<

2009-01-28 [iippo]: I kinda like the bottom one more as it's calmer and... yeah. Hmm, is there a way you can kinda desaturate the water (maybe the clouds a little bit too) nearer to the horizon? 'Cause when we look into an open space, the colours recede, so if you are looking at an open field of grass, it's more bluish/grayish the further away it is. That's why I reckon the horizon looks off, if the contrast between water and clouds is too strong. If you could dim them both a little bit, they'd blend a bit better, mayhaps? Like in the left-hand edge of the bottom one, the sky and water are pretty similar in colour/tone, and it feels a bit better. 

2009-01-28 [Aradon Templar]: Ah, that gives me an idea to try. I'm not sure how much longer I'll mess with this one, since I don't look forward to all those long renders again, but I know how to fix it now I think. Thanks, iippo :D

2009-03-21 [iippo]: For some reason, that is a really compelling image (and tehnewsexy r sexy, except gamma :P)

2009-03-22 [Aradon Templar]: The contrasting colors still lack harshness since the shapes are soft, for one. Secondly, the shapes are sort of swooping, if you know what I mean. They seem to cover lots of space.

2009-08-12 [Aradon Templar]: So, I went away for a week and a half for my step brother's marriage in California. Computer was rendering the whole time I was gone. It was half done, and the easy half at that :(

2009-08-18 [windowframe]: D: BLACK!

2009-08-18 [Aradon Templar]: Yes. It is black. There are sizable 'artifacts' shall we say :P Currently rendering it at normal size rather than double-dimensions, and lowered detail quality a bit. It's been going 91 hours, should be done in less than a week :D Then I have to add in the stars, which Terragen did not do an acceptable job of. This shouldn't be much of an issue though.

2011-04-17 [windowframe]: So is the final image going to be an even gloomier/more overcast sky?

2011-04-17 [windowframe]: Also, I really like the concept of 3, but the peeking rays aren't really... shining round the cloud enough? But I think it would be a pretty simple photoshop edit to fix that? :)

2011-04-30 [hanhepi]: in the section "Okay, neat! How do I use a template?" the last line before the second template: "also won't affect words don't appear by themselves" isn't right. you missed a word i think. other than that, it's great, i might even try using a template on some of my faffing that i'm doing. :D

2011-04-30 [Aradon Templar]: Fixd, I think.

2011-04-30 [hanhepi]: you hadn't, but i just did. i think that made it make sense, but i'd get the Grammar Pros to double check.

2011-04-30 [Aradon Templar]: Oh, I missed the missing word. Yeah, fixed now.

2011-05-01 [Linderel]: Fixed a couple of spelling errors and added a missing apostrophe.

2011-05-01 [Aradon Templar]: Thanks. Was definitely multitasking yesterday :P Also, the title won't stay the same. The header at the top was just an example/placeholder. Call it whatever you guys want to link to, and can just change the header/link.

2011-05-01 [windowframe]: As long as the name explains what's on the page, it doesn't matter what it's called. :)

2011-05-01 [Aradon Templar]: Odd fact that may cause problems: A page using a template will be unable to apply that template to any text following a colon in a line. So, even if I have a template applied to a page, if I say "Therefore, the following is possible: this part of the text will be immune to template replacements," that part of the text will be immune to template replacements. I can only imagine this is to prevent recursive templating by directing two template pages towards each other.

2011-05-01 [Aradon Templar]: Disregard that, it is blatantly untrue. I will investigate further :P

2011-05-01 [Aradon Templar]: All I can tell is that if you apply a template to a template page, when that page is used as a template, the text in the edit box (before any template changes are made) is what will be used to template the other page. For example, if I have a page that says one:two, but apply a template that changes all ones to tens instead, that template page will display ten:two, but it will still function as a template like it said one:two, so any page using it as a template will get a one:two replacement instead of ten:two. This is the interaction between recursive template pages that redirect to each other :P

2011-05-01 [hanhepi]: ok, i may have to unwatch the page, because now i'm not nearly as certain i understand the template business after all.

2011-05-01 [windowframe]: Sorry. Templar and I started talking about what happens if you set two wikis to use the other as a template (in the hope that Elftown would do something interesting). Which it... didn't really. :P It just got rather confusing.

2011-05-01 [hanhepi]: it was like he divided by zero! it was crazy! just, just dumb that down a whole lot if it's going on the wiki somewhere. a whole lot. otherwise people like me will get to that section and think "no, i don't think i should try this, it's going to break something, like my sanity."

2011-05-01 [windowframe]: X) No, I think we should just leave that stuff off. :P

2011-05-02 [Aradon Templar]: Nah, if there was an easy rule for how it works and was a common situation, then I'd put it on, but as it is, people who try this kind of craziness are probably prepared to figure it out on their own anyways.

2012-03-07 [iippo]: What is the brown?

2012-03-07 [Aradon Templar]: Aha, caught one of you! Now only four mystery watchers remain :P It was a picture I was working on. There were nice clouds in the sky, and I wanted to get them reflecting in the water, but the water was all, "noooo I'm going to be all wobbly instead of smooth." So the brown is the clouds in the sky.

2012-03-12 [iippo]: I wasa mystery one? :P You should always assume iippo.

2012-03-12 [Aradon Templar]: Yeah, I was fairly certain you were one of them. I also suspect several Council Peoples.

2012-11-12 [Aradon Templar]: Just faffing with formatting better, seeing if I markedly like other arrangements better than the one the author chose >.>

2012-11-12 [windowframe]: I faffed too, just to show another option <_<

2013-10-18 [windowframe]: holy shit. :o